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。Itisindeedsomethingunusual;butmythoughtsweresotakenupwithasubjectIwasdiscoursingoflastnight,thatfindingIcouldnotsleep,Iresolvedtoriseandtakeaturninthegarden。
。Ithappenedwell,toletyouseewhatinnocentandagreeablepleasuresyouloseeverymorning。Cantherebeapleasantertimeoftheday,oramoredelightfulseasonoftheyear?Thatpurplesky,thosewildbutsweetnotesofbirds,thefragrantbloomuponthetreesandflowers,thegentleinfluenceoftherisingsun,theseandathousandnamelessbeautiesofnatureinspirethesoulwithsecrettransports;itsfacultiestoobeingatthistimefreshandlively,arefitforthosemeditations,whichthesolitudeofagardenandtranquillityofthemorningnaturallydisposeusto。ButIamafraidIinterruptyourthoughts:foryouseemedveryintentonsomething。
。Itistrue,Iwas,andshallbeobligedtoyouifyouwillpermitmetogooninthesamevein;notthatIwouldbyanymeansdeprivemyselfofyourcompany,formythoughtsalwaysflowmoreeasilyinconversationwithafriend,thanwhenIamalone:
butmyrequestis,thatyouwouldsuffermetoimpartmyreflexionstoyou。
。Withallmyheart,itiswhatIshouldhaverequestedmyselfifyouhadnotpreventedme。
。Iwasconsideringtheoddfateofthosemenwhohaveinallages,throughanaffectationofbeingdistinguishedfromthevulgar,orsomeunaccountableturnofthought,pretendedeithertobelievenothingatall,ortobelievethemostextravagantthingsintheworld。Thishowevermightbeborne,iftheirparadoxesandscepticismdidnotdrawafterthemsomeconsequencesofgeneraldisadvantagetomankind。Butthemischieflieth{172}here;thatwhenmenoflessleisureseethemwhoaresupposedtohavespenttheirwholetimeinthepursuitsofknowledgeprofessinganentireignoranceofallthings,oradvancingsuchnotionsasarerepugnanttoplainandcommonlyreceivedprinciples,theywillbetemptedtoentertainsuspicionsconcerningthemostimportanttruths,whichtheyhadhithertoheldsacredandunquestionable。
。Ientirelyagreewithyou,astotheilltendencyoftheaffecteddoubtsofsomephilosophers,andfantasticalconceitsofothers。Iamevensofargoneoflateinthiswayofthinking,thatIhavequittedseveralofthesublimenotionsI
hadgotintheirschoolsforvulgaropinions。AndIgiveityouonmyword;sincethisrevoltfrommetaphysicalnotionstotheplaindictatesofnatureandcommonsense,Ifindmyunderstandingstrangelyenlightened,sothatIcannoweasilycomprehendagreatmanythingswhichbeforewereallmysteryandriddle。
。IamgladtofindtherewasnothingintheaccountsI
heardofyou。
。Pray,whatwerethose?
。Youwererepresented,inlastnight\'sconversation,asonewhomaintainedthemostextravagantopinionthateverenteredintothemindofman,towit,thatthereisnosuchthingasintheworld。
。Thatthereisnosuchthingaswhat,Iamseriouslypersuaded:but,ifI
weremadetoseeanythingabsurdorscepticalinthis,IshouldthenhavethesamereasontorenouncethisthatIimagineIhavenowtorejectthecontraryopinion。
。WhatIcananythingbemorefantastical,morerepugnanttoCommonSense,oramoremanifestpieceofScepticism,thantobelievethereisnosuchthingas?
。Softly,goodHylas。Whatifitshouldprovethatyou,whoholdthereis,are,byvirtueofthatopinion,agreatersceptic,andmaintainmoreparadoxesandrepugnancestoCommonSense,thanIwhobelievenosuchthing?
。Youmayassoonpersuademe,thepartisgreaterthanthewhole,asthat,inordertoavoidabsurdityandScepticism,I
shouldeverbeobligedtogiveupmyopinioninthispoint。
。Wellthen,areyoucontenttoadmitthatopinionfortrue,whichuponexaminationshallappearmostagreeabletoCommonSense,andremotefromScepticism?
。Withallmyheart。Sinceyouareforraisingdisputes{173}abouttheplainestthingsinnature,Iamcontentforoncetohearwhatyouhavetosay。
。Pray,Hylas,whatdoyoumeanbya?
。Imeanwhatallmenmean——onethatdoubtsofeverything。
。Hethenwhoentertainsnodoubtsconcerningsomeparticularpoint,withregardtothatpointcannotbethoughtasceptic。
。Iagreewithyou。
。Whetherdothdoubtingconsistinembracingtheaffirmativeornegativesideofaquestion?
。Inneither;forwhoeverunderstandsEnglishcannotbutknowthatsignifiesasuspensebetweenboth。
。Hethenthatdeniesanypoint,cannomorebesaidtodoubtofit,thanhewhoaffirmethitwiththesamedegreeofassurance。
。True。
。And,consequently,forsuchhisdenialisnomoretobeesteemedascepticthantheother。
。Iacknowledgeit。
。Howcomethittopassthen,Hylas,thatyoupronounceme,becauseIdenywhatyouaffirm,towit,theexistenceofMatter?Since,foraughtyoucantell,Iamasperemptoryinmydenial,asyouinyouraffirmation。
。Hold,Philonous,Ihavebeenalittleoutinmydefinition;buteveryfalsestepamanmakesindiscourseisnottobeinsistedon。Isaidindeedthatawasonewhodoubtedofeverything;butIshouldhaveadded,orwhodeniestherealityandtruthofthings。
。Whatthings?Doyoumeantheprinciplesandtheoremsofsciences?Buttheseyouknowareuniversalintellectualnotions,andconsequentlyindependentofMatter。Thedenialthereforeofthisdothnotimplythedenyingthem。
。Igrantit。Butaretherenootherthings?Whatthinkyouofdistrustingthesenses,ofdenyingtherealexistenceofsensiblethings,orpretendingtoknownothingofthem。Isnotthissufficienttodenominateamana?
。Shallwethereforeexaminewhichofusitisthatdeniestherealityofsensiblethings,orprofessesthegreatestignoranceofthem;since,ifItakeyourightly,heistobe{174}esteemedthegreatest?
。ThatiswhatIdesire。
。WhatmeanyoubySensibleThings?
。Thosethingswhichareperceivedbythesenses。CanyouimaginethatImeananythingelse?
。Pardonme,Hylas,ifIamdesirousclearlytoapprehendyournotions,sincethismaymuchshortenourinquiry。
Suffermethentoaskyouthisfartherquestion。Arethosethingsonlyperceivedbythesenseswhichareperceivedimmediately?Or,maythosethingsproperlybesaidtobewhichareperceivedmediately,ornotwithouttheinterventionofothers?
。Idonotsufficientlyunderstandyou。
。Inreadingabook,whatIimmediatelyperceivearetheletters;butmediately,orbymeansofthese,aresuggestedtomymindthenotionsofGod,virtue,truth,&c。Now,thatthelettersaretrulysensiblethings,orperceivedbysense,thereisnodoubt:butIwouldknowwhetheryoutakethethingssuggestedbythemtobesotoo。
。No,certainly:itwereabsurdtothinkorsensiblethings;thoughtheymaybesignifiedandsuggestedtothemindbysensiblemarks,withwhichtheyhaveanarbitraryconnexion。
。Itseemsthen,thatbyyoumeanthoseonlywhichcanbeperceivedbysense?
。Right。
。Dothitnotfollowfromthis,thatthoughIseeonepartoftheskyred,andanotherblue,andthatmyreasondoththenceevidentlyconcludetheremustbesomecauseofthatdiversityofcolours,yetthatcausecannotbesaidtobeasensiblething,orperceivedbythesenseofseeing?
。Itdoth。
。Inlikemanner,thoughIhearvarietyofsounds,yetIcannotbesaidtohearthecausesofthosesounds?
。Youcannot。
。AndwhenbymytouchIperceiveathingtobehotandheavy,Icannotsay,withanytruthorpropriety,thatIfeelthecauseofitsheatorweight?
。Topreventanymorequestionsofthiskind,Itellyouonceforall,thatbyImeanthoseonlywhichareperceivedbysense;andthatintruththesensesperceivenothingwhichtheydonotperceive:fortheymakeno{175}inferences。Thededucingthereforeofcausesoroccasionsfromeffectsandappearances,whichaloneareperceivedbysense,entirelyrelatestoreason。
。Thispointthenisagreedbetweenus——That。Youwillfartherinformme,whetherweimmediatelyperceivebysightanythingbesidelight,andcolours,andfigures;orbyhearing,anythingbutsounds;bythepalate,anythingbesidetastes;bythesmell,besideodours;orbythetouch,morethantangiblequalities。
。Wedonot。
。Itseems,therefore,thatifyoutakeawayallsensiblequalities,thereremainsnothingsensible?
。Igrantit。
。Sensiblethingsthereforeare{250}nothingelsebutsomanysensiblequalities,orcombinationsofsensiblequalities?
。Nothingelse。
。thenisasensiblething?
。Certainly。
。Doththeofsensiblethingsconsistinbeingperceived?or,isitsomethingdistinctfromtheirbeingperceived,andthatbearsnorelationtothemind?
。Toisonething,andtobeisanother。
。Ispeakwithregardtosensiblethingsonly。AndoftheseIask,whetherbytheirrealexistenceyoumeanasubsistenceexteriortothemind,anddistinctfromtheirbeingperceived?
。Imeanarealabsolutebeing,distinctfrom,andwithoutanyrelationto,theirbeingperceived。
。Heattherefore,ifitbeallowedarealbeing,mustexistwithoutthemind?
。Itmust。
。Tellme,Hylas,isthisrealexistenceequallycompatibletoalldegreesofheat,whichweperceive;oristhereanyreasonwhyweshouldattributeittosome,anddenyittoothers?Andiftherebe,prayletmeknowthatreason。
。Whateverdegreeofheatweperceivebysense,wemaybesurethesameexistsintheobjectthatoccasionsit。
。What!thegreatestaswellastheleast?
。tellyou,thereasonisplainlythesameinrespectofboth。Theyarebothperceivedbysense;nay,thegreaterdegreeofheatismoresensiblyperceived;andconsequently,ifthereis{176}anydifference,wearemorecertainofitsrealexistencethanwecanbeoftherealityofalesserdegree。
。Butisnotthemostvehementandintensedegreeofheataverygreatpain?
。Noonecandenyit。
。Andisanyunperceivingthingcapableofpainorpleasure?
。No,certainly。
。Isyourmaterialsubstanceasenselessbeing,orabeingendowedwithsenseandperception?
。Itissenselesswithoutdoubt。
。Itcannotthereforebethesubjectofpain?
。Bynomeans。
。Norconsequentlyofthegreatestheatperceivedbysense,sinceyouacknowledgethistobenosmallpain?
。Igrantit。
。Whatshallwesaythenofyourexternalobject;isitamaterialSubstance,orno?
。Itisamaterialsubstancewiththesensiblequalitiesinheringinit。
。Howthencanagreatheatexistinit,sinceyouownitcannotinamaterialsubstance?Idesireyouwouldclearthispoint。
。Hold,Philonous,IfearIwasoutinyieldingintenseheattobeapain。Itshouldseemrather,thatpainissomethingdistinctfromheat,andtheconsequenceoreffectofit。
。Uponputtingyourhandnearthefire,doyouperceiveonesimpleuniformsensation,ortwodistinctsensations?
。Butonesimplesensation。
。Isnottheheatimmediatelyperceived?,。Itis。
。Andthepain?
。True。
。Seeingthereforetheyarebothimmediatelyperceivedatthesametime,andthefireaffectsyouonlywithonesimpleoruncompoundedidea,itfollowsthatthissamesimpleideaisboththeintenseheatimmediatelyperceived,andthepain;and,consequently,thattheintenseheatimmediatelyperceivedisnothingdistinctfromaparticularsortofpain。
。Itseemsso。
。Again,tryinyourthoughts,Hylas,ifyoucanconceiveavehementsensationtobewithoutpainorpleasure。
{177}
。Icannot。
。Orcanyouframetoyourselfanideaofsensiblepainorpleasureingeneral,abstractedfromeveryparticularideaofheat,cold,tastes,smells?&c。
。IdonotfindthatIcan。
。Dothitnotthereforefollow,thatsensiblepainisnothingdistinctfromthosesensationsorideas,inanintensedegree?
。Itisundeniable;and,tospeakthetruth,Ibegintosuspectaverygreatheatcannotexistbutinamindperceivingit。
。What!areyoutheninthatscepticalstateofsuspense,betweenaffirminganddenying?
。IthinkImaybepositiveinthepoint。Averyviolentandpainfulheatcannotexistwithoutthemind。
。Ithathnotthereforeaccordingtoyou,any
being?
。Iownit。
。Isitthereforecertain,thatthereisnobodyinnaturereallyhot?
。Ihavenotdeniedthereisanyrealheatinbodies。I
onlysay,thereisnosuchthingasanintenserealheat。
。But,didyounotsaybeforethatalldegreesofheatwereequallyreal;or,iftherewasanydifference,thatthegreaterweremoreundoubtedlyrealthanthelesser?
。True:butitwasbecauseIdidnotthenconsiderthegroundthereisfordistinguishingbetweenthem,whichInowplainlysee。Anditisthis:becauseintenseheatisnothingelsebutaparticularkindofpainfulsensation;andpaincannotexistbutinaperceivingbeing;itfollowsthatnointenseheatcanreallyexistinanunperceivingcorporealsubstance。Butthisisnoreasonwh\'weshoulddenyheatinaninferiordegreetoexistinsuchasubstance。
。Buthowshallwebeabletodiscernthosedegreesofheatwhichexistonlyinthemindfromthosewhichexistwithoutit?
。Thatisnodifficultmatter。Youknowtheleastpaincannotexistunperceived;whatever,therefore,degreeofheatisapainexistsonlyinthemind。But,asforallotherdegreesofheat,nothingobligesustothinkthesameofthem。
。Ithinkyougrantedbeforethatnounperceivingbeingwascapableofpleasure,anymorethanofpain。
。Idid。{178}
。Andisnotwarmth,oramoregentledegreeofheatthanwhatcausesuneasiness,apleasure?
。Whatthen?
。Consequently,itcannotexistwithoutthemindinanunperceivingsubstance,orbody。
。Soitseems。
。Since,therefore,aswellthosedegreesofheatthatarenotpainful,asthosethatare,canexistonlyinathinkingsubstance;maywenotconcludethatexternalbodiesareabsolutelyincapableofanydegreeofheatwhatsoever?
。Onsecondthoughts,Idonotthinkitsoevidentthatwarmthisapleasureasthatagreatdegreeofheatisapain。
。donotpretendthatwarmthisasgreatapleasureasheatisapain。But,ifyougrantittobeevenasmallpleasure,itservestomakegoodmyconclusion。
。Icouldrathercallitan。Itseemstobenothingmorethanaprivationofbothpainandpleasure。Andthatsuchaqualityorstateasthismayagreetoanunthinkingsubstance,Ihopeyouwillnotdeny。
。Ifyouareresolvedtomaintainthatwarmth,oragentledegreeofheat,isnopleasure,Iknownothowtoconvinceyouotherwisethanbyappealingtoyourownsense。Butwhatthinkyouofcold?
。ThesamethatIdoofheat。Anintensedegreeofcoldisapain;fortofeelaverygreatcold,istoperceiveagreatuneasiness:itcannotthereforeexistwithoutthemind;butalesserdegreeofcoldmay,aswellasalesserdegreeofheat。
。Thosebodies,therefore,uponwhoseapplicationtoourown,weperceiveamoderatedegreeofheat,mustbeconcludedtohaveamoderatedegreeofheatorwarmthinthem;andthose,uponwhoseapplicationwefeelalikedegreeofcold,mustbethoughttohavecoldinthem。
。Theymust。
。Cananydoctrinebetruethatnecessarilyleadsamanintoanabsurdity?
。Withoutdoubtitcannot。
。Isitnotanabsurditytothinkthatthesamethingshouldbeatthesametimebothcoldandwarm?
。Itis。
。Supposenowoneofyourhandshot,andtheothercold,andthattheyarebothatonceputintothesamevesselof{179}water,inanintermediatestate;willnotthewaterseemcoldtoonehand,andwarmtotheother?
。Itwill。
。Oughtwenottherefore,byyourprinciples,toconcludeitisreallybothcoldandwarmatthesametime,thatis,accordingtoyourownconcession,tobelieveanabsurdity?
。Iconfessitseemsso。
。Consequently,theprinciplesthemselvesarefalse,sinceyouhavegrantedthatnotrueprincipleleadstoanabsurdity。
。But,afterall,cananythingbemoreabsurdthantosay,?
。Tomakethepointstillclearer;tellmewhether,intwocasesexactlyalike,weoughtnottomakethesamejudgment?。。Weought。
。Whenapinpricksyourfinger,dothitnotrendanddividethefibresofyourflesh?
。Itdoth。
。Andwhenacoalburnsyourfinger,dothitanymore?
。Itdothnot。
。Since,therefore,youneitherjudgethesensationitselfoccasionedbythepin,noranythinglikeittobeinthepin;youshouldnot,conformablytowhatyouhavenowgranted,judgethesensationoccasionedbythefire,oranythinglikeit,tobeinthefire。
。Well,sinceitmustbeso,Iamcontenttoyieldthispoint,andacknowledgethatheatandcoldareonlysensationsexistinginourminds。Buttherestillremainqualitiesenoughtosecuretherealityofexternalthings。
。Butwhatwillyousay,Hylas,ifitshallappearthatthecaseisthesamewithregardtoallothersensiblequalities,andthattheycannomorebesupposedtoexistwithoutthemind,thanheatandcold?
。Thenindeedyouwillhavedonesomethingtothepurpose;butthatiswhatIdespairofseeingproved。
。Letusexaminetheminorder。Whatthinkyouof,dotheyexistwithoutthemind,orno?
。Cananymaninhissensesdoubtwhethersugarissweet,orwormwoodbitter?
。Informme,Hylas。Isasweettasteaparticularkindofpleasureorpleasantsensation,orisitnot?{180}
。Itis。
。Andisnotbitternesssomekindofuneasinessorpain?
。Igrantit。
。Ifthereforesugarandwormwoodareunthinkingcorporealsubstancesexistingwithoutthemind,howcansweetnessandbitterness,thatis,Pleasureandpain,agreetothem?
。Hold,Philonous,Inowseewhatitwasdeludetime。
Youaskedwhetherheatandcold,sweetnessatwerenotparticularsortsofpleasureandpain;towhichsimply,thattheywere。
WhereasIshouldhavethusdistinguished:thosequalities,asperceivedbyus,arepleasuresorpairexistingintheexternalobjects。Wemustnotthereforeconcludeabsolutely,thatthereisnoheatinthefire,orsweetnessinthesugar,butonlythatheatorsweetness,asperceivedbyus,arenotinthefireorsugar。Whatsayyoutothis?
。Isayitisnothingtothepurpose。Ourdiscourseproceededaltogetherconcerningsensiblethings,whichyoudefinedtobe,。Whateverotherqualities,therefore,youspeakofasdistinctfromthese,Iknownothingofthem,neitherdotheyatallbelongtothepointindispute。Youmay,indeed,pretendtohavediscoveredcertainqualitieswhichyoudonotperceive,andassertthoseinsensiblequalitiesexistinfireandsugar。Butwhatusecanbemadeofthistoyourpresentpurpose,Iamatalosstoconceive。Tellmethenoncemore,doyouacknowledgethatheatandcold,sweetnessandbitterness(meaningthosequalitieswhichareperceivedbythesenses),donotexistwithoutthemind?
。Iseeitistonopurposetoholdout,soIgiveupthecauseastothosementionedqualities。ThoughIprofessitsoundsoddly,tosaythatsugarisnotsweet。
。But,foryourfarthersatisfaction,takethisalongwithyou:thatwhichatothertimesseemssweet,shall,toadistemperedpalate,appearbitter。And,nothingcanbeplainerthanthatdiverspersonsperceivedifferenttastesinthesamefood;sincethatwhichonemandelightsin,anotherabhors。Andhowcouldthisbe,ifthetastewassomethingreallyinherentinthefood?
。IacknowledgeIknownothow。
。Inthenextplace,aretobeconsidered。
And,withregardtothese,Iwouldfainknowwhetherwhathath{181}beensaidoftastesdothnotexactlyagreetothem?Aretheynotsomanypleasingordispleasingsensations?
。Theyare。
。Canyouthenconceiveitpossiblethattheyshouldexistinanunperceivingthing?
。Icannot。
。Or,canyouimaginethatfilthandordureaffectthosebruteanimalsthatfeedonthemoutofchoice,withthesamesmellswhichweperceiveinthem?
。Bynomeans。
。Maywenotthereforeconcludeofsmells,asoftheotherforementionedqualities,thattheycannotexistinanybutaperceivingsubstanceormind?
。Ithinkso。
。Thenasto,whatmustwethinkofthem:aretheyaccidentsreallyinherentinexternalbodies,ornot?
。Thattheyinherenotinthesonorousbodiesisplainfromhence:becauseabellstruckintheexhaustedreceiverofanair-pumpsendsforthnosound。Theair,therefore,mustbethoughtthesubjectofsound。
。Whatreasonisthereforthat,Hylas?
。Because,whenanymotionisraisedintheair,weperceiveasoundgreaterorlesser,accordingtotheair\'smotion;butwithoutsomemotionintheair,weneverhearanysoundatall。
。Andgrantingthatweneverhearasoundbutwhensomemotionisproducedintheair,yetIdonotseehowyoucaninferfromthence,thatthesounditselfisintheair。
。Itisthisverymotionintheexternalairthatproducesinthemindthesensationof。For,strikingonthedrumoftheear,itcausethavibration,whichbytheauditorynervesbeingcommunicatedtothebrain,thesoulisthereuponaffectedwiththesensationcalled。
。What!issoundthenasensation?
。Itellyou,asperceivedbyus,itisaparticularsensationinthemind。
。Andcananysensationexistwithoutthemind?
。No,certainly。
。Howthencansound,beingasensation,existintheair,ifbytheyoumeanasenselesssubstanceexistingwithoutthemind?
。Youmustdistinguish,Philonous,betweensoundasitis{182}perceivedbyus,andasitisinitself;or(whichisthesamething)betweenthesoundweimmediatelyperceive,andthatwhichexistswithoutus。Theformer,indeed,isaparticularkindofsensation,butthelatterismerelyavibrativeorundulatorymotiontheair。
。IthoughtIhadalreadyobviatedthatdistinction,byanswerIgavewhenyouwereapplyingitinalikecasebefore。
But,tosaynomoreofthat,areyousurethenthatsoundisreallynothingbutmotion?
。Iam。
。Whateverthereforeagreestorealsound,maywithtruthbeattributedtomotion?
。Itmay。
。Itisthengoodsensetospeakofasofathingthatis,,,。
。seeyouareresolvednottounderstandme。Isitnotevidentthoseaccidentsormodesbelongonlytosensiblesound,orthecommonacceptationoftheword,butnottointherealandphilosophicsense;which,asIjustnowtoldyou,isnothingbutacertainmotionoftheair?
。Itseemsthentherearetwosortsofsound——theonevulgar,orthatwhichisheard,theotherphilosophicalandreal?
。Evenso。
。Andthelatterconsistsinmotion?
。Itoldyousobefore。
。Tellme,Hylas,towhichofthesenses,thinkyou,theideaofmotionbelongs?tothehearing?
。No,certainly;buttothesightandtouch。
。Itshouldfollowthen,that,accordingtoyou,realsoundsmaypossiblybe,butnever。
。Lookyou,Philonous,youmay,ifyouplease,makeajestofmyopinion,butthatwillnotalterthetruthofthings。
Iown,indeed,theinferencesyoudrawmeintosoundsomethingoddly;butcommonlanguage,youknow,isframedby,andfortheuseofthevulgar:wemustnotthereforewonderifexpressionsadaptedtoexactphilosophicnotionsseemuncouthandoutoftheway。
。Isitcometothat?Iassureyou,Iimaginemyselftohavegainednosmallpoint,sinceyoumakesolightofdepartingfromcommonphrasesandopinions;itbeingamainpartofourinquiry,toexaminewhosenotionsarewidestofthe{183}
commonroad,andmostrepugnanttothegeneralsenseoftheworld。But,canyouthinkitnomorethanaphilosophicalparadox,tosaythat,andthattheideaofthemisobtainedbysomeothersense?Andistherenothinginthiscontrarytonatureandthetruthofthings?
。Todealingenuously,Idonotlikeit。And,aftertheconcessionsalreadymade,Ihadaswellgrantthatsoundstoohavenorealbeingwithoutthemind。
。AndIhopeyouwillmakenodifficultytoacknowledgethesameof。
。Pardonme:thecaseofcoloursisverydifferent。Cananythingbeplainerthanthatweseethemontheobjects?
。Theobjectsyouspeakofare,Isuppose,corporealSubstancesexistingwithoutthemind?
。Theyare。
。Andhavetrueandrealcoloursinheringinthem?
。Eachvisibleobjecthaththatcolourwhichweseeinit。
。How!isthereanythingvisiblebutwhatweperceivebysight?
。Thereisnot。
。And,doweperceiveanythingbysensewhichwedonotperceiveimmediately?
。HowoftenmustIbeobligedtorepeatthesamething?
Itellyou,wedonot。
。Havepatience,goodHylas;andtellmeoncemore,whetherthereisanythingimmediatelyperceivedbythesenses,exceptsensiblequalities。Iknowyouassertedtherewasnot;butIwouldnowbeinformed,whetheryoustillpersistinthesameopinion。
。Ido。
。Pray,isyourcorporealsubstanceeitherasensiblequality,ormadeupofsensiblequalities?
。Whataquestionthatis!whoeverthoughtitwas?
。Myreasonforaskingwas,becauseinsaying,,youmakevisibleobjectstobecorporealsubstances;whichimplieseitherthatcorporealsubstancesaresensiblequalities,orelsethatthereissomethingbesidessensiblequalitiesperceivedbysight:
but,asthispointwasformerlyagreedbetweenus,andisstillmaintainedbyyou,itisaclearconsequence,thatyourisnothingdistinctfrom。{184}
。Youmaydrawasmanyabsurdconsequencesasyouplease,andendeavourtoperplextheplainestthings;butyoushallneverpersuademeoutofmysenses。Iclearlyunderstandmyownmeaning。